Excerpts from Nabil Shaban's interview for
DAIL magazine in March 2005
about his book "Dreams My Father Sold Me"
and how he sees the world
about the title of the
book
... I had the title for quite a few years and I was looking for a
book to pin it on. I had a number of different writing projects in mind. A book
of short stories, a book of dreams, an autobiography, but I never got round
doing any of those things so the title was still floating and then when Marcela
came up with the idea of the book of poetry and art work, I said "OK, I'll stick
this title on this book".
about dreams
... Many
of the poems and pictures are inspired by dreams that I've had. But obviously it
is not just nocturnal dreams, but dreams in the sense of phantasies and
aspirations. Another way of looking at the title is that I never knew my father.
I maybe saw him once or twice a year before he died which was in 1965, so I
guess the fact is he never gave me any dreams. He certainly never told me any,
so I decided "OK I will say he sold me instead of telling me". It's probably a
bit unfair on him to do that but the cynical title reflects cynical attitude
towards maybe my family. And at the same time we live in a very nasty capitalist
world and I don't really think anyone would give dreams for free in this society
of ours. Any dreams you get are constantly sold to you. And, in a way, father is
like society. Tony Blair, George Bush, they just sell you nightmares, actually,
they don't sell you dreams.
about the message
...
There is no way a non-disabled person can get to really see how we, disabled
people, see the world or how we experience the world ... some non-disabled
friends of mine who have looked at this book said "God, I never realised that it
was like that. It's really interesting getting your perspective on life, how you
are experiencing the world". And it's great that they are able to get this
perspective through the pictures and through the poetry and without me having to
tie them down on the chair ...
about disability, inequalities
and power
... There's a problem of how to deal with power inequalities
and how you can distribute access to power in a more democratic, fair, equal
way. And we see in our society that there are gross inequalities in the access
to power. And it is not about power to dominate and control others, it's just
the power to determine your own life and to live the life that you want. There
are some groups, whether it's women, whether it's black people, Asian people,
disabled people, people with certain sexual orientation, that may feel that they
have less access to power than their opposite counterparts. And that's in a
sense what I am talking about. It's not just about THEY are Labour or, THEY are
Conservative, or THEY are "able-bodied" and WE are not so called able-bodied, we
are disabled. Actually, the reason I hate the word disabled is because it means
without power. And I think we shouldn't be labelled with a word that constantly
describes us as someone without power. Our aim is to get power. The power to
live the life that we want to lead, to have the opportunities that we believe we
should have on equal basis to anyone else.
about discrimination and how the
shit starts
... There is certainly legislation that is threatening to
disabled people. The Mental Incapacity Bill for example is giving licence to
kill disabled people unfortunate enough to end up in a hospital. And the
Embryology and Fertilisation Bill with the amendment that says that if a
disabled foetus has achieved full term, nine months, it can actually be killed
whereas non-disabled foetus is actually even harder to abort ... We have got
this attitude in this country where disabled people are considered to be
useless, so we have a prioritization system now in our health care. So if you
are disabled and you go to a hospital, you are less likely to receive proper
treatment because they would like to see you dead. And to try and get on to the
waiting list, if you are disabled, it's ten times harder than if you are
non-disabled. Because again they actually want to see you dead. And there is the
kind of explicit euthanasia policy that people like Thatcher and Blair are
slowly introducing into our society.
... It's coming from corporate capitalism I suppose. It's coming from the scientists' idea of creating the perfect human beings, because of all the efficiency needed for generating profit. So it's coming from the motivation to maximize profits ... Insurance companies, for example. It's getting harder and harder for people who are ill, for people who are old, people who are disabled, to get insurance. Because insurance companies don't want to pay out. And it's coming again from the whole genetic engineering or genetic science. Processes are going on where DNA research is looking for defects and things that are likely to cause this disability or that disability or any kind of impairment. It could be a social impairment, it could be a psychological impairment, it could be a personality impairment or how you want to call it. Any kind of impairment that could be in their view genetically determined. They want to eliminate it because they see it as a factor that will be detrimental to the processes of profit making ultimately.
how it develops
... And
the transport situation, this business of locking people out of cities. It
certainly started with disabled people and it's getting to point where I'm not
allowed to get into London because every time I do, there is a good chance I'll
end up with a parking ticket. In fact the London boroughs have decided since the
1980s to ignore the disabled badge and they claim they've got their own badge.
But then you may end up having to have about five or ten different disabled
badges. You have to use them in every borough you are going. They have become
sort of passports. You cannot go to Kensington and Chelsea unless you show the
Kensington and Chelsea disabled badge. You cannot to go to Westminster unless
you have the disabled badge for Westminster. So now we have this system of
restricting disabled people's mobility and movement in the metropolitan areas
and it's obvious in London.
... And all this nonsense about immigrants, asylum seekers... I noticed that actually most of the time when they go on about immigrants and asylum seekers they don't mind the American immigrants because they are white, they don't mind the Australian immigrants. But anyone who's got a slight colour to them or comes from some apparent dodgy regime, they are going to be a bit scared. There has been so much research shown over the last ten years that ... Britain ... has always actually received more income from immigrants that it's actually paid out to immigrants coming. But this is just part of the general psychology of fear that is being created in this country to make Britain more xenophobic than ever and at the same time to restrict our movement. Because the governments don't want us meeting in public places, so we've got these anti protest bills that prevent us from going to Parliament Square, etc. because the politicians want to have an easy life and they don't want to be told what they are doing wrong. And they don't want people to stop them from doing things which is only in the interest of politicians and the people that pay for them to be in power, the big multinational companies... So there is this general trend to restrict all, not just disabled people's freedom and movement...
and how it ends
... As
it happened in Nazi Germany. The first people that were gassed in Nazi Germany
were disabled people. Not Jews, not gypsies, not communists, but disabled
people. The first people that were being castrated, sterilised were disabled
people. And the first babies that had been murdered in hospitals by Nazi doctors
were disabled people. So the general public should look at what happens to
disabled people and realise that that is a warning of about what's going to
happen to them next. So it's actually in the interest of non-disabled people to
fight with us, to be our allies.
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